Comments on: THE FAMINE SONG IS OVER. WHY DON’T YOU GROW UP? http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-famine-song-is-over-why-don%e2%80%99t-you-grow-up/ Freelance Journalist, Author & Blogger Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:56:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ryan http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-famine-song-is-over-why-don%e2%80%99t-you-grow-up/#comment-973 Ryan Wed, 06 May 2009 12:33:48 +0000 http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=84#comment-973 Here we go again, 'Banter', etc. 'Not intended to offend the Irish'? 'There are many Rangers supporters clubs in the ROI'? How many exactly? Apart from the lamentable Dublin RSC which consists of 2 expat Scots who are working there where exactly are these? 'The song is aimed at those Celtic fans who claim Irish status whilst they and their parents were born elsewhere' - rather sweeping assumptions yet again. How do you know the family lineage of all Celtic supporters? Are you assuming that they do not have immediate Irish ancestry? Or were even born in the land itself? 'If you are offended then you have chosen to be' - do you also take this stance on the terrorist and murder-glorifying songs which (you claim) the Celtic fans sing? You also state the papers turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the Celtic fans behaviour. Are you having a laugh?!? Furthermore, after this statement you then go on to quote James Traynor in an article cribbed from the rag he writes for. And we know the history between Celtic and that particular tawdry publication. Here we go again, ‘Banter’, etc.

‘Not intended to offend the Irish’? ‘There are many Rangers supporters clubs in the ROI’? How many exactly? Apart from the lamentable Dublin RSC which consists of 2 expat Scots who are working there where exactly are these?

‘The song is aimed at those Celtic fans who claim Irish status whilst they and their parents were born elsewhere’ – rather sweeping assumptions yet again. How do you know the family lineage of all Celtic supporters? Are you assuming that they do not have immediate Irish ancestry? Or were even born in the land itself?

‘If you are offended then you have chosen to be’ – do you also take this stance on the terrorist and murder-glorifying songs which (you claim) the Celtic fans sing?

You also state the papers turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the Celtic fans behaviour. Are you having a laugh?!? Furthermore, after this statement you then go on to quote James Traynor in an article cribbed from the rag he writes for. And we know the history between Celtic and that particular tawdry publication.

]]> By: Rob http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-famine-song-is-over-why-don%e2%80%99t-you-grow-up/#comment-970 Rob Mon, 04 May 2009 23:22:17 +0000 http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=84#comment-970 I have to say what an utter lot of lies this is. Whilst I don't condone the singing of this Famine Song, I can acknowledge the intentions in which it has been sung and it is at those who claim Irish status of origin whilst they and their parents have been born and bred in another country, quite often heard to be termed plastic Irish I think!, either way it is not and never was intended as a slight on the Irish as a whole or the race. What makes this so laughable is that Rangers football club have supporters clubs in both the ROI and NI and have a strong Irish support overall, you only have to sit in the stands to hear and see it and also look through the official supporters clubs list which can be provided upon request. Billy Fullerton never had any connections with Rangers football club other than as a supporter, what he done in his life was self choice and not as an employee of the club or any association with the club and in equal measure I am led to believe that he took up his radical views later on in life. I don't have to remind you of the connotations or links between Celtic football club and the IRA or the "real" IRA as they may now be called, a racist and sectarian paramilitary group. Both clubs suffer a great complexity trait and seek always to get the upper hand but attached to both clubs are also small factions of hard core supporters that carry with them their political or extreme principle and value and this element drags both clubs down. What has become of concern is the impartial media coverage, Rangers football club provide Mr Speirs with a salary and a job and if they didn’t exist then what else would he write about, whilst he is on his crusade to rid life or all its ills he ought to remember that they don’t all start and finish at Rangers football club. If he got up off his backside and got out instead of ripping his articles from his favourite message boards then perhaps he would find that the rest of the world has moved on whilst he stood still in a childhood dilemma that has obviously scarred him for life which he happens to blame and hold Rangers football club and its supporters to account for. The famine song was given prominence by the media and if that is not the case then why have it as front page news, how many articles do we see with front page news on Celtic football club supporters singing songs in support of the IRA, these songs can be heard at every single football match they play in, why no media outrage or due attention, what of other clubs singing the famine song what coverage does that get, at the most none. It’s the old adage that if you say it long enough and often enough then you start to believe it, unless you’re educated enough to see what the real issue here. Since devolution there has been a drive to run Scotland’s affairs by Scotland and not by Westminister and to all intents and purposes this has harnessed a swell of patriotism and made Scots believe more in self rule as we see in the SNP however the main divider of that possibility is Unionism and therein lies the real agenda. As a club steeped in union traditions and pride Rangers football club is seen in some respects as the last bastion of unionism and its support very conservative and pro union. Independence will never come about under a conservative rule but Scotland have made strides in taking some control and the greater challenge is yet to come when it’s people are asked whether the union is what they want and in the meantime it needs to be eroded to sway that public opinion. For the record I think that the famine song is and was sung as terracing banter and not intended to insult the greater community of Irish folk resident in the country or outwith it, however we do have people that are offended and for that reason I believe that Rangers football club took action to ban it whilst also acknowledging that it also took notice from its own supporters clubs that it was sung in jest and as banter and not as a racist slur or chant intended to offend Irish people. James Traynor is employed to give opinion on sport at the Daily Record and often wonders into the realms if subjects way beyond even his own comprehension and in his article today 05th May 2009 he goes on at some length about the joke that is allowing players who have Grandparents born in Scotland many years ago allow themselves to be called Scottish and slights the players in question, does this make him racist as he’s not employed to give us his opinions on the technicalities of origin. I suspect not because the manner in which he has displayed his opinion doesn’t quite hold the same gravity that the famine song does or the media coverage it was given or the headlines attached to it in order that it did offend people. Self persecution is an ill trait and if you’re offended then its because you’ve chosen to be I have to say what an utter lot of lies this is. Whilst I don’t condone the singing of this Famine Song, I can acknowledge the intentions in which it has been sung and it is at those who claim Irish status of origin whilst they and their parents have been born and bred in another country, quite often heard to be termed plastic Irish I think!, either way it is not and never was intended as a slight on the Irish as a whole or the race. What makes this so laughable is that Rangers football club have supporters clubs in both the ROI and NI and have a strong Irish support overall, you only have to sit in the stands to hear and see it and also look through the official supporters clubs list which can be provided upon request. Billy Fullerton never had any connections with Rangers football club other than as a supporter, what he done in his life was self choice and not as an employee of the club or any association with the club and in equal measure I am led to believe that he took up his radical views later on in life. I don’t have to remind you of the connotations or links between Celtic football club and the IRA or the “real” IRA as they may now be called, a racist and sectarian paramilitary group. Both clubs suffer a great complexity trait and seek always to get the upper hand but attached to both clubs are also small factions of hard core supporters that carry with them their political or extreme principle and value and this element drags both clubs down.
What has become of concern is the impartial media coverage, Rangers football club provide Mr Speirs with a salary and a job and if they didn’t exist then what else would he write about, whilst he is on his crusade to rid life or all its ills he ought to remember that they don’t all start and finish at Rangers football club. If he got up off his backside and got out instead of ripping his articles from his favourite message boards then perhaps he would find that the rest of the world has moved on whilst he stood still in a childhood dilemma that has obviously scarred him for life which he happens to blame and hold Rangers football club and its supporters to account for.
The famine song was given prominence by the media and if that is not the case then why have it as front page news, how many articles do we see with front page news on Celtic football club supporters singing songs in support of the IRA, these songs can be heard at every single football match they play in, why no media outrage or due attention, what of other clubs singing the famine song what coverage does that get, at the most none. It’s the old adage that if you say it long enough and often enough then you start to believe it, unless you’re educated enough to see what the real issue here. Since devolution there has been a drive to run Scotland’s affairs by Scotland and not by Westminister and to all intents and purposes this has harnessed a swell of patriotism and made Scots believe more in self rule as we see in the SNP however the main divider of that possibility is Unionism and therein lies the real agenda. As a club steeped in union traditions and pride Rangers football club is seen in some respects as the last bastion of unionism and its support very conservative and pro union. Independence will never come about under a conservative rule but Scotland have made strides in taking some control and the greater challenge is yet to come when it’s people are asked whether the union is what they want and in the meantime it needs to be eroded to sway that public opinion.
For the record I think that the famine song is and was sung as terracing banter and not intended to insult the greater community of Irish folk resident in the country or outwith it, however we do have people that are offended and for that reason I believe that Rangers football club took action to ban it whilst also acknowledging that it also took notice from its own supporters clubs that it was sung in jest and as banter and not as a racist slur or chant intended to offend Irish people.
James Traynor is employed to give opinion on sport at the Daily Record and often wonders into the realms if subjects way beyond even his own comprehension and in his article today 05th May 2009 he goes on at some length about the joke that is allowing players who have Grandparents born in Scotland many years ago allow themselves to be called Scottish and slights the players in question, does this make him racist as he’s not employed to give us his opinions on the technicalities of origin. I suspect not because the manner in which he has displayed his opinion doesn’t quite hold the same gravity that the famine song does or the media coverage it was given or the headlines attached to it in order that it did offend people.
Self persecution is an ill trait and if you’re offended then its because you’ve chosen to be

]]> By: max http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-famine-song-is-over-why-don%e2%80%99t-you-grow-up/#comment-772 max Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:53:04 +0000 http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=84#comment-772 I'll apologise to everyone who reads Phils site. williams total ignorance of the decimal and percentage system, after he seemed not to know the difference between 5.6%, 0.56& or indeed 56%, had to be worth a mention, but I especialy found it ironic that after I suggested that his figures were more than dodgy and unreliable at best and damned lies at....well just damn lies (the statistics speak for themselves), and that he more or less pulled them out his arse, he comes out with the most ludicrous infantile statistic with his 99.99% statement, and really found his use of the figures 999 quite ironic! (after the events in Manchester but It seems to be over his head), and now william, presumably having someone explain to him how percentages work (the words chimpanzees & algebra spring to mind) he thinks that because two figures HE pulled out of thin air agrees with HIS OWN opinion he wins ?????....... something! As they say, you couldn't make it up (that was irony again btw william). MY 0.01 COMMENT WAS RIDICULING YOU WILLIAM, not an acceptance of ANYTHING you say being of any worth. I’ll apologise to everyone who reads Phils site. williams total ignorance of the decimal and percentage system, after he seemed not to know the difference between 5.6%, 0.56& or indeed 56%, had to be worth a mention, but I especialy found it ironic that after I suggested that his figures were more than dodgy and unreliable at best and damned lies at….well just damn lies (the statistics speak for themselves), and that he more or less pulled them out his arse, he comes out with the most ludicrous infantile statistic with his 99.99% statement, and really found his use of the figures 999 quite ironic! (after the events in Manchester but It seems to be over his head), and now william, presumably having someone explain to him how percentages work (the words chimpanzees & algebra spring to mind) he thinks that because two figures HE pulled out of thin air agrees with HIS OWN opinion he wins ?????……. something!
As they say, you couldn’t make it up (that was irony again btw william).
MY 0.01 COMMENT WAS RIDICULING YOU WILLIAM, not an acceptance of ANYTHING you say being of any worth.

]]> By: william http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-famine-song-is-over-why-don%e2%80%99t-you-grow-up/#comment-764 william Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:51:06 +0000 http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=84#comment-764 25 celtic fans received banning orders after Blackburn 25 celtic fans received banning orders after Blackburn

]]> By: william http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-famine-song-is-over-why-don%e2%80%99t-you-grow-up/#comment-763 william Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:49:24 +0000 http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=84#comment-763 0.01% Max, do you understand that. that is less than the 0.56% od celtic fans that were arrested at Old Trafford. even less than the 5 of Celtic fans who received banning orders in Blackburn. People in glass houses should avoid stone fights. Should you not be out trashing a Rangers players car, or smashing a referees windows, or making death threats on the huddleboard, Or stocking up on missiles for the next home game. Or do you prefer to stick tumbles in peoples faces in Barcelona 0.01% Max, do you understand that. that is less than the 0.56% od celtic fans that were arrested at Old Trafford. even less than the 5 of Celtic fans who received banning orders in Blackburn. People in glass houses should avoid stone fights.
Should you not be out trashing a Rangers players car, or smashing a referees windows, or making death threats on the huddleboard, Or stocking up on missiles for the next home game. Or do you prefer to stick tumbles in peoples faces in Barcelona

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