This video/audio clip is from the Real Radio football phone in, hosted by Ewen Cameron and Alan Rough.
It covered the Famine Song story as the involvement of the Irish consulate in Edinburgh broke.
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william
Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, OMG The word hun relates to a race of people, so therefore can be classed as racist, The word fenian relates to people of various religions and countries of birth, so how can it be racist, lololol, I have no need to rewrite History, I was taught it at school, where I was also taught the basics of all major religions, Can you say the same ?
If celtic made such dramatic steps to cut out racism, why are anti british songs and slogans heard before during and after every celtic game, May I remind you that Rangers were also found not guilty by UEFA, I see you have neglected to respond to all of my posts and have only allowed one to be published Phil, Do you have no response to them, It really is quite sad Phil that you have no answer to my posts but prefer to lie to people and say they are abusive, you are a sad excuse for a man, I weep for your children
October 8, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Ryan
William,
A wee bit confusion reigning here. You don’t consider Fenian to be a sectarian term, but you condemn the use of the word Hun?!?
With regards to the Mark Walters incident:-
The sickening Mark Walters incident you refer to was roundly CONDEMNED by various supporters groups and the club itself. Various anti-racism and anti-fascist groups were set up by supporters clubs, many of which still run to this day. Thankfully this shameful incident was a one-off and the likes haven’t been seen since. (cut & pasted from another of my replies).
There you go again with your Papist conspiracies. Catholic UEFA observers, Hitler’s homeland(!), agendas, etc.
You say Celtic were investigated by UEFA. True. What was the outcome? Rangers were fined for both the missile throwing AND sectarian chanting. You can argue until you are blue in the face (for want of a better term) but Fenian B****** is a sectarian term of abuse. Do you think that 99% if the peepel who use this term are aware of historical origins?
William, you and your ilk can try and re-write history over the internet to suit your own needs but until you admit there are severe problems at Ibrox and amongst a sizeable section of the Rangers fans then no progress is ever going to be made.
Just admit your blinding hatred of all things Celtic & Ireland and we can all go home (again for want of a better term).
October 8, 2008 at 11:11 am
Spuds
William
Are you, a Rangers fan, at this time, SERIOUSLY bringing into this argument a RACIST incident which happened over 20 years ago, was sadly indicative of the time and has since been roundly condemned by Celtic fans.
But Rangers fans don’t tolerate racism in any form, do they?
They also, apparently, don’t do irony either
October 8, 2008 at 10:39 am
william
I do not support any paramilitary organisation and therefore cannot understand why anyone would opt to glorify indiscriminate murder of men women and children by planting bombs in city centres.
I think you will find that Celtic were also investigated by UEFA and i think you will find that Rangers were fined because of the missile thrown at the Villareal team bus, ask Phil or yourself why Rangers were investigated, he/you played a major part in it, Because as far as I am aware a fenian is not a religion or a race, A Glasgow Street gang of the early 20th century are not a religion or a race either, But put a couple of reporters with an obvious agenda together with a Roman Catholic UEFA observer from Hitler\’s homeland and as they say \”Bobs your uncle\”
oh and as a passing thought, what songs do Rangers fans sing, would you consider racist or sectarian ? Did you witness the treatment dished out to Mark Walters by Celtic fans
October 7, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Ryan
Rabies man,
I didn’t claim for a second that BJK was racist/sectarian, I stated categorically that it was among the most sickening and vile chants ever used at a football match. You still cannot see that using the issue of child abuse as a cheap points scoring exercise over your hated rivals is somewhat nauseous?
The boy’s club that the evil bastard Torbett ran was not even officially assimilated with Celtic, so where was the huge conspiracy cover-up supposed to have come into play? And how do you and your ilk know for your sure that Sir Jock Stein knew (he knew alright, he knew how put one over Rangers and mastermind a fantastic period of European success before any other British manager) anything about a matter happening outwith the club?
I fully appreciate the fact that you are so blinkered over the famine song that you cannot even comprehend how baffling your defence of it really is? You don’t know what is racist about it? Where in the ‘harmless we bit o’ banter’ does it say “This is an option only if you dislike Britain”? Again the subject of child abuse is brought up again in the chant. The worst of the Rangers fans seem to have a real fixation for singing about this horrid issue. I wonder why that could be? Freud would have a field day trying to work that one out.
BTW, where would you tell the Scotland fans who booed God Save The Queen to go? Where will you go when Scottish independence inevitably arrives?
I have yet to comprehend how ‘Hun’ is sectarian when every team in Scotland uses this term to describe Rangers fans. Enlighten me please.
The Nacho Novo chant which you refer to is not sung En masse as you might infer, it is sung by a handful of bampot drunken neds who don’t know the first thing about Ireland and are ignorant of the fact that the IRA doen’t actually exist anymore as a military unit. It is most certainly NOT belted out at home games wher decent fans would shout them out. Incidentally might I add it is a disgusting chant and has no place at Celtic Park or any other football ground. I, and the majority of Celtic fans, roundly CONDEMN the chant sung by an extreme minority.
I don’t know how many games at Parkhead you actually attend, but can you give me an example of when you last heard “No Protestants At All” or “Die you O.B”? I can honestly hold my hand on my heart and say with certainty that I have never, ever heard them sung at Parkhead. That is not to say they may have been sung before my time, but I can absolutely guarantee that you will not hear these chants sung by the Celtic support, unsavoury elements or not.
Now, seeing as you seek clarification on what is racist/sectarian or not, can you please enlighten me (again!) as to what is racist/sectarian about “Go On Home British Soldiers”?
It’s another argument/debate entirely about whether Rebel or IRA songs should be sung by an element of the Celtic support. It’s a complex issue that even Celtic supporters cannot come to an agreement over. I think they should stick to pro-Celtic songs and the occasional Irish tune (but NOT Danny Boy!) myself and leave the other ditties to the pubs and bars but that is purely my personal opinion. Politically and whatever, I can certainly see why peepel like yourself William are apopleptic with rage over them. Yes, I understand fully you ire! But, just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it wrong! As you clearly abhor IRA chants, what is your position on UDA/UVF/UFF/whoever chants from Rangers supporters?
There is only ONE Scottish team wwho has been investigated, and fined, by UEFA for sectarian/racist singing. If you are waiting for UEFA to act over ‘Terrorist’ (one man’s terrorist, etc.) chanting then you will be waiting a long time for them to prove it is racist/sectarian, despite the best efforts of some of the Scottish media to drag Celtic into it. Then again, it’s all a Papist/UEFA conspiracy isn’t it? And I thought we were meant to be the paranoid ones!
Better get back to work, and no, my name isn’t Phil or Mr Lawwell.
October 7, 2008 at 6:11 am
william
Ryan (as you now refer to yourself)
Maybe you are foaming at the mouth, Please explain in the purest form that you can muster where the famine song and BJK songs are racist or sectarian, Celtis football covered up sordid acts of Child Abuse, TRUE / FALSE
A one word answer will surfice.
The famine song does not mock the people who died in that Natural Disaster, It merely states that \”the famine is over \” It then goes onto to offer an option \”why don\’t you go home\”. If you dislike Britain so much, then use the option available to you.
Phil, oops sorry I mean Ryan,,,
How does this compare with such ditties regularly heard at Parkhead like,,,,
\”go home you huns\”
\”soon they ll be no protestants at all\”
\” I hope you die from an IRA bullet, Nacho Novo\”
\”Go on Home British Soldier\” or \”Die you orange Bastard\”
Wipe the foam from your mouth as you think up an adequate response
October 6, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Ryan
William,
I can picture the foam forming in your mouth as you type. Man, you have some issues brother!
BJK and the famine song are purely reactionary bits of banter you say?
How come these viles streaks of bile only appeared fairly recently if they are meant to be a reaction against “cover-ups” of things that happened over 150 and almost 40 years ago respectively? How you can pass these off as harmless ditties is staggering. Using the issue of child abuse to get one over ‘that mob’. Sit back and have a listen to yourself please!
The Celtic fans should be waving wee green flags with harps and singing Danny Boy? Is this your stereotypical idea of some sort of Irishness? I’m sorry that certain fans may not follow that idiom. Maybe we should all grow wee ginger beards and start carrying shillelaghs as well. How come Rangers fans don’t dress in tartan and sing ‘Donald Where’s Yer Troosers’ like the good little Scottish boys they are? Or are they British?
The only clear thing emanating from your posts is your sheer unadulterated of all things connected with Celtic and Ireland.
October 6, 2008 at 8:51 am
william
Kieran, ignorance is the worse form of bigotry, The Holocust was targeted against a race of people, a specific religion, and was a deliberate attempt to eradicate people, The famine was a natural disaster that killed people regardless of their religion and race, You statement, like Phil\’s is more offensive to the famine than the actual song, You are using the deaths and suffering of people to suit your agenda
October 4, 2008 at 3:55 pm
kieran Gallagher
A great interview, when are UEFA going to act against RFC. Could you imagine German fans singing: “the halocaust is over, why don’t you go on home” there would be public outrage
October 3, 2008 at 2:42 pm
william
Celtc’s Irishness. The lie that the Scottish Press won’t question.
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Hibs have an Irish ancestry that is older and more original than that of celtc Football Club.
Hibs or Hibernian Football Club to give them their correct title can still touch their early beginnings, as it is and will always be the start point of their existence.
The club colours and indeed the club crest still reflect and celebrate these origins.
However in the 133 years or so of their existence, Hibs have assimilated fully into the society that has nourished them.
As a football club they are completely Scottish and like their support, the five generations or so of being part of Scottish society has seem them assimilate totally.
The Irishness of Hibs was of the Roman Catholic variety like Celtc’s, but that is where the similarity ends.
Celtc who were founded thirteen years after Hibs and who by virtue of underhanded deceit almost ended the existence of the Edinburgh Club, are a different kettle of fish.
This is a Football Club who instead of becoming more Scottish has actually managed in 120 years to become more Irish.
However Celtc’s Irishness is not of the ‘Harp, Leprechaun and Blarney Stone’ character, and doesn’t take the form of sentimental affection for those origins.
Instead it is a nasty pernicious political Irishness, which is so extremely narrow to the point of being identified solely with Irish Republicanism and the hatred of Great Britain.
This is the Ireland of small minded Roman Catholic bigots of the sort who glorify in terrorism and pogroms against Protestants, and who see the ethnic cleansing of the same, as the political panacea to a Roman Catholic future hegemony.
‘Soon there will be no Protestants at all’, probably the most sinister chant you ever will hear in any football ground in the UK.
Every symbol and song, from the Triclolour to The Fields of Athenrye, is adopted solely to emphasize this hateful form of Irishness.
If it was Ireland and their Irish origins they really wished to celebrate, they would be waving a Green Flag with a Gold Harp and singing Danny Boy.
But who are they kidding?
Well with the help of the Scottish Press, Media and Scottish Labour Party, it appears that they are kidding nearly everyone.
UEFA, The Scottish Parliament and much of the Scottish public and even those in England.
Had a football club identified so viciously with another anti British terrorist political movement and celebrated its outrages with such venom, they would have been stripped of their veneer of respectability and exposed completely throughout the British Press.
However the lie is maintained and repeated.
celtc are a football club that enjoys their Irish Catholic heritage but who are of course open to all.
A cuddly friendly football club, one that you can take home to your mother.
However in the absence of truth in the public arena, as is often the case, it is left to those outside the mainstream to expose the lack of clothes being worn by the Emperor.
As the cover up of Celtc’s vile anti Britishness grows almost in tandem with the growth of their Republican and Irish identity, it is not ironic but rather more inevitable that someone close and unswayed by the propaganda should voice a hint at the unvarnished reality.
It is for these reasons I believe that the Rangers Support have responded in voice regarding those things that the mainstream press will not speak about.
Twenty five years of support for the IRA saw the reply of ‘The Billy Boys’, a gang song that took on fresh significance as it articulated the repudiation of the Irish Republican Murder Machine, and for most who sang it allowed a political response that if brutal, nonetheless allowed free men to answer their enemies with free speech.
(We knew the definition of the word Fenian, we knew who we meant by it, and more to the point, so did the dishonest Spiers and his cronies.)
The concerted efforts of the Scottish Phress to subdue and cover up the seedy revelations about the paedophile scandal at Celtc Park, and Jock Stein’s alleged involvement in the initial cover up, resulted in the BJK campaign.
Now the heightened endorsement of everything Irish, and the tacit legitimising of the Republican Political Terrorist activity by those in charge at Celtc Park, has seen the fresh response by the Rangers Support with the refrain of ‘The Famines Over Why Don’t You Go Home’.
It may not be edifying but it is certainly not surprising.
Even in Nazi Germany there remained organs of truth.
If our political and public scene were more open and truthful, if our newspapers and television screens were unadorned by agenda, and if our politicians could separate their Celtc Season Tickets from their Labour Party Membership Cards, then perhaps we might shut our mouths.
Until then, in the words of our enemies, LET THE PEOPLE SING.
October 3, 2008 at 1:03 pm
paul
Glad this is being made public, these group of vial rfc supporters must be charged for their wrong doings !!!
I’m a proud Glaswegian, who’s proud of their Irish roots !!! Remember, “Green and White : These colours don’t run”. Keep up the fight!!! YNWA
October 2, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Gary
Thanks for your eloquent protestations. Must keep showing them up. Gary.
October 1, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Seán Ó'Donnghaile
Phil just listend to the real radio interview. Thought you were excellent. Rough fairly kept his opinions to himself, hes been dismissing the song as banter for a couple of weeks now.
October 1, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Max
Well done Phil. Keep fighting the good fight.
God Bless.
October 1, 2008 at 1:38 pm
irishbhoy
you put your point across very good mate.
hail hail
September 26, 2008 at 4:00 pm